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Math is Hard! (age question)

How old is Loghain at the beginning of Origins? How old was Maric when he disappeared? (I know DG has confirmed that he's dead, but for fic-writing purposes, as far as I'm concerned he's only comic-book dead.)

The inconsistency of dating between novels and game makes my poor little non-mathematically-inclined brain hurt.

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Well...Alistair does.

Calenhad, though...http://dragonage.wikia.com/wiki/Codex_Entry:_The_Legend_of_Calenhad,_Chapter_3

Not to mention, Maric goes after Fiona + Katriel. Admittedly, he wasn't married to Rowan at the time. But he was engaged to her while he was banging Katriel every time her back was turned. It's hard for me to see Maric as being entirely immune to the siren song of pretty elf chicks.

As I remember (and it's a while since I read it) Katriel basically jumped him.

While he was in an infirmary, no less!

See? I rest my case. Theirin boys; you have to break their legs so they can't run away.

This needs to be a fic prompt.

I gotta stop drinking things while reading comments, my monitor will NEVER forgive me! *sporfle*

I think Cailan would stand still, especially if you spent the whole time telling him how awesome he is.

The whole "Anora led him around like a puppy on a leash" thing is nonsense. Clearly she was wearing a mirrored dress.

It's too bad we don't have that much footage of Cailan, because there needs to be a vid for him, set to "I Feel Pretty".

'He's...too sexy for his crown...'

*ded*

I'm going to have to either write a Cailan+mirrors fic or put up a Cailan+mirrors prompt.

His narcissism needs more exploration.

I like the exploration you have already given it and encourage you to pursue that further.

Bit tricky that, seeing as he was about to kark it at the end of the fic. Necrophilia ftl :(

Um...Flemeth found him and somehow brought him back to life! He's not dead yet!

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AU, m'dear, AU!

After all, Cailan and Alistair were together at Ostagar for some weeks, it seems.

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OMg, that would be so awesome...

I can entirely see him doing that.

Wench: "Oh, Your Majesty, can I see it? It's so.... GLORIOUS."

Cailan: *splooge*

Worship at the glory of the kingsicle!

The thing with his Katriel fling was that he didn't know Rowan actually had romantic feelings for him. Their marriage had been arranged when they were children, by his mother and her father to cement their alliance. The two had always been buddies and I got the impression he thought that hadn't changed.

I'll agree that it is possible that Maric was all "eh, it doesn't matter, since you don't like me". But surely at some point he...noticed? I mean, maybe not, but it still seems kind of cold to sleep with one person when engaged to another and not even talk about it first...

I'm not saying that Maric is this horrible person, but it's hard for me to see him either as this paragon of virtue where he's so great and noble and faithful that he would *never* so much as consider cheating on his wife (who he didn't love, at least in TST).

Even Alistair is willing to have a menage a trois with Isabella or marry Anora (if you make him). And he's sure as hell willing to cheat on his wife (with you) if you take the mistress ending. For all that, he's more than willing to drop you like a hot poker if you save Loghain, but will still marry Anora (if hardened), despite that he describes her as being "just like her father". I mean, seriously...I'm not sure that he's this perfect paragon of virtue, either. (Not to mention that he'll let you do horrible things left and right in game rather than storm off and go "screw you". Yeah, I know, game mechanics. But it still unnerves me that with a persuasion check he registers -5 at killing the city elves, -0 at slaughtering the Dalish, and not that much from what I can remember at desecrating the ashes.)

I'm willing to say, "yeah, it's possible that Maric was perfectly faithful to Rowan". But it doesn't seem that implausible to say, either, "Yeah, Alistair's the son of a serving wench that Maric knocked up while still married to Rowan". I mean, ultimately? If Alistair is *not* Goldanna's half brother, there's been a major conspiracy going on...

But surely at some point he...noticed?

Maric is pretty damn stupid throughout TST. It never occurred to him that Katriel wasn't what she seemed? Seriously?

I'm not saying that Maric is this horrible person, but it's hard for me to see him either as this paragon of virtue where he's so great and noble and faithful that he would *never* so much as consider cheating on his wife (who he didn't love, at least in TST).

I don't think it has anything to do with being a paragon of virtue. I think that Maric is an inherently passive, reactive character, who doesn't initiate sex. I also think he's does guilt real well, and he does know he's not exactly being fair to Rowan as it is.

Also, sleeping around on the very popular queen? Not a good move, politically.

Even Alistair is willing to have a menage a trois with Isabella or marry Anora (if you make him).

Not sure what this has to do with Maric.

I mean, ultimately? If Alistair is *not* Goldanna's half brother, there's been a major conspiracy going on...

Alternately, if Alistair isn't Fiona's kid, then The Calling makes even less sense than it already does. Who's the kid? Why is there a huge deal made of Duncan saying he'll keep an eye on the kid?

And of course, you get back to the simplest answer, which is that Gaider Jossed himself and used The Calling to retcon Alistair's backstory.

Yeah, I totally see "The Calling" as a retcon of Alistair's backstory. But would prefer to keep the one in game, as, eh, "The Calling" is an awful book (IMHO), while Dragon Age is an awesome game. ;)

Ah, and Alistair's willingness to marry is just that I can totally see Theirins cheating on their spouses. Sorry. It's late. I am muddled. This happens. *sigh*

I do agree that sleeping around on a popular queen is a bad idea. But Cailan obviously was willing to risk it with Anora. *shrugs* And, yeah, I agree that Maric is a fairly passive character. But, again, I'd be astounded if he wasn't hounded by women, all of whom desperately hoped for a favor here or there. It comes with being an attractive, powerful man. It just doesn't strike me as implausible that he'd give into temptation, no matter how much he came to love Rowan or how popular she was.

I think that either interpretation is possible. I just (personally) have an easier time seeing the elf-baby as someone else than Alistair just in that otherwise we have to figure that there is this grand conspiracy to make him believe that he has a fake half-sister, a serving girl Mom, etc. If it was just one person, I'd be like "yeah, lying". But Alistair apparently found something that convinced him that Goldanna was his half sister, Loghain confirms that it was the serving girl, and I think Eamon does too. That seems like a lot. While I can see them all being "in on the plot", it does get kind of goofy.

Katriel totally jumps Maric. So does Fiona--literally.

Oh, I agree. But I don't find it implausible that he'd give into temptation when a serving girl jumped him too.

I mean, you figure that if he looks like Cailan and Alistair, he's hot. He's also king. He's probably barely able to get into bed at night without finding another servant in it, who just "happened" to take another nude nap in his bed...

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